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Waters, Maj. Gen. Mitchell J., USMCR, Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff for
Manpower and Reserve Affairs for Reserve Affairs.......
Closner, Maj. Gen. John J., III, USAF, Chief, Air Force Reserve.

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Lockwood, Rear Adm. John W., USCG, Chief, Office of Readiness and Re

serve, U.S. Coast Guard Headquarters..

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Edwards, Maj. Gen. Donald E., USA, President, Adjutants General Association.

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Ensslin, Maj. Gen. Robert F., Jr., USA (Ret.), President, National Guard
Association...

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Smith, Rear Adm. Philip W., USNR (Ret.), Director of Legislation, Naval
Reserve Association

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Lyman, Mr. Bob, National Executive Secretary, Naval Enlisted Reserve Asso

ciation..

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Hultman, Maj. Gen. Evan L., AUS (Ret.), Executive Director, Reserve Officers
Association.....

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Malone, Col. Susan L., USMCR, President, Marine Corps Reserve Officers
Association......

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Cline, Master Sergeant Michael P., ANG, Executive Director, Enlisted Association of the National Guard

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Leland, Lt. Gen. Edwin S., Jr., USA, Director, J-5 (Strategy, Plans & Policy),
Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

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Peay, Lt. Gen. J.H. Binford, III, USA, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Plans, U.S. Army...

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MEDICAL PROGrams of the Department of Defense

MAY 13, 1992

Mendez, Enrique, Jr., M.D., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs. Jehn, Hon. Christopher, Assistant Secretary of Defense, Force Management and Personnel.

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Ledford, Lt. Gen. Frank F., Jr., USA, Surgeon General, U.S. Army.

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Hagen, Vice Adm. Donald F., USN, Surgeon General, U.S. Navy.

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Sloan, Lt. Gen. Alexander M., USAF, Surgeon General, U.S. Air Force.
Stevens, Hon. Ted, a U.S. Senator from the State of Alaska.....

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College, Craig E., Director of the Economic Analysis and Resource Planning
Division, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense...
Hofmann, John A., D.C., F.I.C.A..

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Wipf, R. Jay, R.N., D.C.

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Chescavage, Dorsey, Health Care Specialist, National Military Family Association..

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Arnette, L. Glenn, Director, Legislative Programs, Fleet Reserve Association... Ouellette, Sgt. Maj. Michael, USA (Ret.), Deputy Director of Legislative Affairs, Non-Commissioned Officers Association

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Morrison, Chief Warrant Officer-4 John W., USA (Ret.), Associate Legislative
Counsel, National Association of the Uniformed Services.....

ACTIVE AND RESERVE PERSONNEL

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JUNE 2, 1992

Jehn, Hon Christopher, Assistant Secretary of Defense, Force Management and Personnel.......

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Duncan, Hon. Stephen M., Assistant Secretary of Defense, Reserve Affairs....... Clark, William D., Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Manpower and Reserve Affairs, U.S. Army..

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Pope, Hon. Barbara S., Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Manpower and
Reserve Affairs..

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Cooper, Hon. J. Gary, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force, Manpower, Reserve Affairs, Installations and Environment

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Jones, Paul L., Director, Defense Force Management Issues, General Accounting Office.....

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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION FOR APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1993 AND THE FUTURE YEARS DEFENSE PROGRAM

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 25, 1992

U.S. SENATE,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON MANPOWER AND PERSONNEL,
COMMITTEE On Armed SERVICES,

Washington, DC.

PERSONNEL PROGRAMS OF THE MILITARY SERVICES

The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:03 a.m., in room SD-G50, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Senator John Glenn (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Committee members present: Senators Nunn, Glenn, McCain, and Mack.

Also present: Senator Graham and Congressman Bilirakis.

Committee staff members present: Arnold L. Punaro, staff director; and Lucia M. Chavez, research assistant.

Professional staff members present: Frederick F.Y. Pang. Minority staff members present: George K. Johnson, Jr., and George W. Lauffer, professional staff members.

Staff assistants present: Debra A. Rice, and Mickie Jan Wise. Committee members' assistants present: Andrew W. Johnson, assistant to Senator Exon; Phillip A. Upschulte, assistant to Senator Glenn; Anthony H. Cordesman, assistant to Senator McCain; and Thomas L. Lankford, assistant to Senator Smith.

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR JOHN GLENN, CHAIRMAN Senator GLENN. The hearing will be in order. The subcommittee on manpower and personnel meets this morning to begin a series of three hearings on manpower and health programs associated with the amended defense authorization request for fiscal year 1993.

Sometimes these hearings are not looked at as being big ticket items for some reason or another, but you look at the defense budget and we have some 47 percent of that budget going to personnel matters, and so that indicates the importance of what we are dealing with.

Today's hearing will focus on active component personnel programs such as planned active duty end-strength levels of each military service, and the recruiting, retention, loss management and transition programs the military services plan to implement in order to achieve their respective active duty end-strength levels.

We will also address a number of other matters, including the compensation and benefit programs for military personnel. For example, we will address S. 1381, a bill introduced by Senator Graham that would authorize the concurrent receipt by retired military personnel of military retirement pay and veteran's disability pay.

In order to give as much notice as possible to our subcommittee members and to the Defense Department, I also want to outline the rest of the subcommittee's hearing schedule.

On April 8 we will have a hearing on the manpower plans of the Reserve and National Guard components, and how these components fit into the total force under DODs base force plan.

On April 30 we will have a hearing on medical programs, including follow-up on a number of issues addressed in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Years 1992 and 1993 such as: active military programs, CHAMPUS programs, CHAMPUS reform initiative and so on.

The subcommittee has also reserved May 14, if we need to followup on any of the issues that arise out of these hearings, as well as look at several other things, such as the academies; women in the military; moral, welfare and recreation (MWR); pilot retention; and civilian personnel. We have to address all of these issues also, and we will probably take up some of those at the May 14 hearing and/ or other hearings as we schedule them later on.

To set the context for today's hearing I want to briefly recap what we have done, what this committee has done over the last 2 years. It is a matter of record that this subcommittee took the lead in establishing a prudent glide path for the military services during the defense build-down.

In this regard, we spelled out fiscal year 1995 active duty strength levels that would reduce the military services at a rate of 100,000 per year in the aggregate starting in fiscal year 1991.

It is a matter of record that the subcommittee took the lead in spelling out a strength reduction process that requires the military services to trim accession levels, reduce the first term inventory and reduce the retirement eligible inventory to levels consistent with the smaller requirements in these segments of the force before reducing career personnel who are not eligible for retirement.

It is a matter of record that this subcommittee took the lead in providing a safety net of benefits for separating military personnel, including involuntary separation pay, transitional health care coverage, continued eligibility to use commissaries and exchange, employment assistance and other benefits to ease the transition of separating military personnel and their families.

It is also a matter of record that this subcommittee took the lead in taking the very unusual step of working out a compromise in the eleventh hour of the conference on the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Years 1992 and 1993 last year to authorize incentives that could be paid in lump sum or in annuities to encourage career personnel who are not eligible to retire to separate so as to avoid involuntary separations.

It is a matter of record that this subcommittee took the lead in providing a package of benefits for Active and Reserve personnel

serving in the Persian Gulf conflict; and finally, it is a matter of record that this subcommittee has continued to take the lead to sustain, and where possible, enhance the combat effectiveness of military personnel as the military services build-down by providing increases in pay and benefits that sustain their quality of life.

The end of the Cold War has given our Nation an unprecedented opportunity to set new priorities and to meet new challenges. As we reduce our defense forces, consistent with the reduced threats that we face, we must guard against a rush to cut back so deeply that we undermine the combat readiness of our forces and break faith with our men and women in uniform who have put their lives on the line in defense of freedom.

We must maintain combat readiness, and at the same time, ensure that as we downsize our military, we do not downsize our economy along with it. History shows we are going to need our military power again, whether to rescue or repel threats or whatever is needed.

So combat readiness, while we go through all the other changes that are going on, is really the bottom line of what we are all

about.

As I have said many times, how we provide for our men and women in uniform and their families is a bipartisan matter. To me there is no Democratic agenda, there is no Republican agenda in this regard.

Senator McCain, our ranking member on this subcommittee and I worked as a team with members on both sides of the aisle, to do what is right for the combat readiness and quality of life of our military people. So I look forward to working along the same lines in this coming year.

At this time I want to welcome our witnesses. On our first panel, we have the Honorable Chris Jehn, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Force Management and Personnel; Lt. Gen. Tom Carney, Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, U.S. Army; Vice Adm. Ronald Zlatoper, Chief of Naval Personnel, U.S. Navy; Lt. Gen. Matthew Cooper, Deputy Chief of Staff for Manpower and Reserve Affairs, U.S. Marine Corps; and Lt. Gen. Billy Boles, Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, U.S. Air Force.

I want to extend a special welcome to General Carney, General Cooper, General Boles, and Admiral Zlatoper because we have had a complete turnover in the military personnel chiefs of our services since our hearings last year. So this is the first time they are appearing before this subcommittee in a new capacity, and I look forward, gentlemen, to working with all of you.

We also have on our first panel, representatives from the General Accounting Office, Mr. Paul Jones, Director, Defense Force Management Issues of the National Security and International Affairs. Division; and Mr. Barry Holman, Assistant Director, Defense Force Management Issues of the National Security and International Affairs Division.

Their purpose is to bring their evaluation of the strength management plans of the military services, and without objection, I will include in the record at this point the letter that I sent to the GAO requesting this briefing.

[The information follows:]

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington, DC, January 23, 1992.

Hon. CHARLES A. BOWSHER,
Comptroller General,

General Accounting Office,
Washington, DC.

DEAR MR. BOWSHER: I am writing to request the General Accounting Office to conduct a review of the active duty strength plans of the military services for fiscal years 1992 and 1993. I am particularly interested in:

(1) the compliance by the Department of Defense with the military personnel reduction procedures set forth in section 402 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1991;

(2) an evaluation of the accession plans of each military service by source for the officer, warrant officer, and enlisted elements of the personnel inventory;

(3) an evaluation of the loss plans of each military service by type for the officer, warrant officer, and enlisted elements of the personnel inventory;

(4) an evaluation of the implementation by the Department Of Defense of sections 501, 502, 503, 504, 521, 522, and 523 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1991; and

(5) an evaluation of the implementation of sections 661 and 662 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Years 1902 and 1993.

This review will assist the Subcommittee on Manpower and Personnel of the Committee on Armed Services in determining the effectiveness of the programs authorized by the Congress to help the military services avoid involuntary separations.

In this regard, I would appreciate the General Accounting Office to be prepared to brief the results of its preliminary findings to the subcommittee by March 16, 1992. Mr. Fred Pang of the committee staff is available to provide further details on this request, and to respond to any questions you may have.

Best regards.
Sincerely,

JOHN GLENN,

Chairman, Subcommittee on Manpower and Personnel.

Senator GLENN. On our second panel we have representatives from the Military Coalition who I will introduce when we get to our second panel.

So it is my intention to proceed this morning by hearing the opening statements from our defense witnesses and then turn to our GÃO witnesses for their briefing on the strength plans of the military services.

We can then address questions to our DOD and GAO witnesses on this topic. When we are finished with this topic we will excuse our GAO witnesses and move on to other topics. I believe this format will help us understand more clearly the personnel impact of the active duty strength levels requested by DOD which are substantially lower for fiscal years 1992 and 1993 than we authorized last year.

Also, Senator Bob Graham has asked to testify on S. 1381, a bill he introduced last year on concurrent receipt of retired pay and veteran's disability pay that has been referred to this subcommittee, and we will accommodate him at an appropriate point in this hearing.

Before we turn to our witnesses on the first panel, I want to ask Senator McCain, the ranking minority member on the subcommittee if he has opening remarks, and John, as always, I look forward to working with you this year. We have worked together to do what is right for our men and women in uniform and I certainly

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