PETER J. MURPHY, JR., J. DAVID WILLSON, JOHN G. PLASHAL, ROBERT V. Davis, Austin G. SMITH, ROBERT A. SERAPHIN, PAUL J. MAGLIOCCHETTI, JAMES S. VAN WAGENEN, and DONALD E. RICH- BOURG, Staff Assistants; SANDRA A. GILBERT, Administrative Assistant; MARCIA L. MATTS, COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi, Chairman EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York BILL CHAPPELL, JR., Florida JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania BOB TRAXLER, Michigan JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts LINDY (MRS. HALE) BOGGS, Louisiana MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota VIC FAZIO, California W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina LES AUCOIN, Oregon DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii WES WATKINS, Oklahoma WILLIAM H. GRAY, III, Pennsylvania BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey WILLIAM R. RATCHFORD, Connecticut BILL BONER, Tennessee STENY H. HOYER, Maryland BOB CARR, Michigan ROBERT J. MRAZEK, New York SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia KEITH F. MAINLAND, Clerk and Staff Director DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1984 MONDAY, MAY 16, 1983. VIEWS ON DEFENSE BUILDUP WITNESSES ROBERT S. MCNAMARA, FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND FORMER PRESIDENT, THE WORLD BANK CYRUS R. VANCE, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE INTRODUCTION Mr. ADDABBO. The committee will come to order. We are very pleased indeed to have with us this afternoon two distinguished Americans, Mr. Robert McNamara, former Secretary of Defense, and former President of the World Bank, and Mr. Cyrus R. Vance, former Secretary of State, and former Deputy Secretary of Defense, who are here to provide the committee with their views on the President's Defense buildup. Gentlemen, it becomes increasingly apparent that Congress will mandate reductions in the President's defense budget for fiscal year 1984 and in the next few years. As you know, the House has recommended a real growth for defense of somewhat less than four percent in fiscal year 1984 and in the out years for the national defense function. No one can predict the level of defense spending that Congress will ultimately recommend since the Senate has not decided on a budget resolution as of this date. At any rate, the level of defense spending recommended by the President over the next five years may not be achievable. The probable slowdown in defense spending places a serious burden on the Defense subcommittee which must decide where to make the reductions without impairing readiness or endangering our national security. In order to assist the subcommittee in making reasoned judgments, I felt that we should receive divergent views on defense. For that reason, I have invited you gentlemen to testify today relative to your proposals for reductions in defense. Tomorrow, we shall hear from spokesmen from the American Security Council, and from Mr. George W. S. Kuhn who authored a study under contract to the Heritage Foundation. Chapter 4 of Mr. Kuhn's study addressed ending the stagnation in the Department of Defense. Your statement had been made available to the members last week and it will be inserted in the record in its entirety. If you |